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PostSubject: Wastegate   Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:42 pm

A wastegate is a valve that diverts exhaust gases away from the turbine wheel in a turbocharged engine system. Diversion of exhaust gases regulates the turbine speed, which in turn regulates the rotating speed of the compressor. The primary function of the wastegate is to regulate the maximum boost pressure in turbocharger systems, to protect the engine and the turbocharger.

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An internally gated turbocharger. The internal gate is located to the right of the turbine wheel, but built into the turbine housing. Partially seen at the top is the wastegate actuator arm.
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:47 pm

[b]Wastegate types[/b]

External

An external wastegate is a separate self-contained mechanism typically used with turbochargers that do not have internal wastegates. An external wastegate requires a specially constructed turbo manifold with a dedicated runner going to the wastegate. The external wastegate may be part of the exhaust housing itself. External wastegates are commonly used for regulating boost levels more precisely than internal wastegates in high power applications, where high boost levels can be achieved. External wastegates can be much larger since there is no constraint of integrating the valve or spring into the turbocharger and turbine housing. It is possible to use an external wastegate with an internally gated turbocharger. This can be achieved through a specially designed bracket that easily bolts on and restricts the movement of the actuator arm, keeping it from opening. Another route involves welding the internal wastegate shut which permanently keeps it from opening, but failure of the weld can allow it to open again.
External wastegates generally use a valve similar to the poppet valve found in the cylinder head. However they are controlled by pneumatics rather than a camshaft and open in the opposite direction. External wastegates can also use a butterfly valve, though that is far more rare.

Atmospheric/divorced wastegates

A "divorced" wastegate dumps the gases directly into the atmosphere, instead of returning them with the rest of an engine's exhaust. This is done to prevent turbulence to the exhaust flow and reduce total back pressure in the exhaust system. Divorced wastegate dumper pipes are commonly referred to as "screamer pipes" due to the unmuffled waste exhaust gases and the associated loud noises they produce..


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On left, an example external wastegate. Partially visible is the shaft of the poppet valve built into the wastegate. The port on top of this wastegate is a secondary control port. Not visible is the primary control port.



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A dual port Tial 44mm wastegate. The side port is the primary port. The top port is the secondary port and not necessary for proper operation.
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:50 pm

[b]Control[/b]

Pneumatic

The simplest control for a wastegate is to supply boost pressure directly from the charge air side to the wastegate actuator. A small hose can connect from the turbocharger compressor outlet, charge pipes, or intake manifold to the nipple on the wastegate actuator. The wastegate will open further as the boost pressure pushes against the force of the spring in the wastegate actuator until equilibrium is obtained. More intelligent control can be added by integrating an electronic boost controller.
Standard wastegates have one port for attaching the boost control line from the charge air supply line or boost control solenoid. This is the most common configuration and the only type of configuration found on internal wastegates.
A dual port wastegate adds a second port on the opposite side of the actuator. Air pressure allowed to enter this second port aids the spring to push harder in the direction of closing the wastegate. This is exactly the opposite of the first port. The ability to help the wastegate remain closed as boost pressure builds can be increased. This also adds further complexity to boost control, requiring more control ports on the solenoid or possibly a complete second boost control system with its own separate solenoid. Use of the second port is not necessary. Secondary ports, unlike primary ports, cannot be simply attached to a boost control line and require electronic control to be useful. C02 can also be used to apply pressure to the second port, in order to control boost on a much finer level.

Electric

Some 1940s aircraft engines featured electrically operated wastegates, such as the Wright R-1820 on the B-17 Flying Fortress. General Electric was the biggest manufacturer of these systems. Being before the age of computers, they were entirely analog. Pilots had a cockpit control to select different boost levels. Electric wastegates soon fell out of favor due to design philosophies which mandated the separation of the engine controls from the electrical system.

Hydraulic

Most modern turbocharged aircraft use a hydraulic wastegate control with engine oil as the fluid. Systems from Lycoming and Continental operate on the same principles and use similar parts which differ only in name. Inside the wastegate actuator, a spring acts to open the wastegate, and oil pressure acts to close the wastegate. On the oil output side of the wastegate actuator sits the density controller, an air-controlled oil valve which senses upper deck pressure and controls how fast oil can bleed from the wastegate actuator back to the engine. As the aircraft climbs and the air density drops, the density controller slowly closes the valve and traps more oil in the wastegate actuator, closing the wastegate in order to increase the speed of the turbocharger and maintain rated power. Some systems also use a differential pressure controller which senses the air pressures on either side of the throttle plate and adjusts the wastegate to maintain a set differential. This maintains an optimum balance between a low turbocharger workload and a quick spool-up time, and also prevents surging caused by a bootstrapping effect.
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:50 pm

Wastegate chatter myth

There is confusion in the automotive world about so called "wastegate chatter" or "turbo flutter". A noise created on lifting off the throttle in a turbocharged car, commonly described as a chipmunk or a rattlesnake, is often stated incorrectly as being a result of the turbo's wastegate closing.
The noise is in fact the air compressed by the turbo passing back through the compressor wheel of the turbo after the airflow is abruptly halted by the throttle plate closing, called compressor surge. However, in some cases, i.e. where the throttle plate doesn't open fast enough or is set up to only react to high boost, some chatter will remain. Surge can occur on diesels when the turbo is attempting to pressurize the air at a higher pressure ratio than the compressor wheel can flow at a given speed. Diesel engines have no use for a blow off valve as they do not have a throttle plate.
The chatter noise is very noticeable on World Rally Cars, where anti-lag is used.
A compressor stall like this can cause excess stress and wear on the turbo's shaft or bearings under higher load applications of the turbo (around 15psi and greater depending on the trim and flow rate of the compressor side).
Actual wastegate flutter occurs instead under partial boost conditions such as partial throttle near the boost threshold. It sounds like FftFftFft not ShuShuShu and is caused by the rapid opening and closing of the wastegate at boost levels near the spring pressure. It is commonly heard more clearly and may be more prominent on cars with modified intake silencers, up-pipes, and or downpipes, and is not harmful
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:52 pm

Wastegate sizing

Wastegate sizing is inversely proportionate to the desired level of boost and is somewhat agnostic to the size or power of the engine. One vendor's guide for wastegate sizing is as follows:

~ big turbo/low boost = bigger wastegate
~ big turbo/high boost = smaller wastegate
~ small turbo/high boost = smaller wastegate
~ small turbo/low boost = bigger wastegate
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:11 am

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Tial 40mm external wastegate installation
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:12 pm

perghhhh mantap owh
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:34 pm

huhu..pa yg mntap 2 bro?
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:16 am

inpo2 nya
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:27 pm

sama ja cam lecture aku bagi dulu
1 barang pon ako x paham
nasib ja bapa aku ajar
tp tobo disil
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:07 pm

dmna ada kemahuan,disitu ada jln..huhu..bgs lg lecture mu ajar..aq time stuD automotif d teknik dlu manada ne bab wastegate,bljr sndiri...wkakaka
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:48 pm

nice info..pakai external gate la kalau brani..haha
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PostSubject: Re: Wastegate   Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:59 pm

mo pakai apa lau stendet
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